Thursday, June 25, 2015

Clinical Pearls from the SIBO Symposium

The webinars from the SIBO Symposium have finally been released. They are a bit hard to hear but I spent a couple of hours last night listening to the Clinical Pearls section that we missed. Providers had the opportunity to come up and talk about cases and things they are trying or noticing in their patients. They each had 5 minutes. Some takeaways:


  • Farshid Rahbar, MD presented on SIBO and tick borne illness (Lyme). He found that patient with abnormally high levels of hydrogen or methane often had tick borne illness. 65% of people that he has seen that have tick borne disease also have SIBO.
  • Dr. Morstein (ND) uses the generic Rifaximin from Canada and has great success but she always pairs it with 1 tsp of guar gum in 8oz of water. She never treats SIBO without including Lactoprime Plus. She has the client take them with lunch. She felt that if you just treated the SIBO you would end up creating a dysbiosis in the large intestine and then you would be stuck fixing that next. (I have to say I kind of agree, after last summer's war against the archaea I ended up with a bad dysbiosis in my colon.) She also uses Hercius Erineus and Acetyl L-Carnitine to help heal any nerve damage in the small intestine. (My guess is this is the product she uses.)
  • Whitney and Stephanie Hayes, NDs presented on SIBO and infertility. They found if they got rid of a woman's SIBO she often became fertile again. Pretty fascinating since you wouldn't think they would be linked. They think SIBO testing should be considered in any woman with pelvic pain/dysfunctions.
  • Dr. Elena Guggenheim talked about autoimmunity and how the bacteroides seem to modulate the immune response. She presented a case on RA and said that once she got the woman's SIBO under control (only symptom was diarrhea), her RA symptoms greatly reduced and she was able to resume normal activities without daily use of medications.
  • Kelly Reis (sp?), ND was great. She bought her own Quintron so she could get results fast. She also does thermography and finds that people with autoimmune issues have a cooling spot above their T2 thoracic spine. (I had this done before my SIBO diagnosis and I didn't have anything blue (cold) in this area. Fascinating!) She runs a facebook page for clinicians which is a valuable resource since everyone seems to be guessing a bit on the harder cases.
  • Nora Jacoby, ND talked about diet. She has a diet handout that she gives patients and there is access to it for clinicians only on her website www.sibotest.com. She gave no details to say how it was different that the SIBO specific diet. She strongly recommends Dr. Kharrazian's gargle/gag method, breathing exercises and use of cascara sagrada. She also mentioned Heart Math (which I really want), to help you get into rest and digest mode before meals and to help train yourself overall to easily get into parasympathetic mode. Using a Squatty Potty or step stool will help retrain the bowels. If you like local and sustainable (aka expensive) go herehttp://gostool.com/shop/
  • Dara Perkins, MD has found that with low weight SIBO patients she often has them eat high quality fermented sourdough bread and organic corn products such as polenta for a starch and most have success. One of her patients found that if you combine LDN with antihistamines you may have nightmares.
  • Dr. Ruscio came up and talked about how he tracked patients taking biofilm agents and some who were not and so far hasn't found any difference in effectiveness. He will release his finding later this summer. BIofilm disrupters are a must if the overgrowth is fungal.  He brought up how the microbiota is the next big thing but that a lot of the information going around on blogs is not based in research. He's not ready to jump on the feed the microbiota carb bandwagon. He said prebiotics need to be taken on a case by case basis and you should be gunshy with SIBO patients. He is beginning a study of prokinetics in the next 2-4 months. To be in this study you have to be ending your treatment and SIBO clear when he starts his research. Information at www.drruscio.com
  • Mark Davis, ND talked extensively about FMT and said that even when people swallow (ewwww!) an FMT capsule it does not cause SIBO. He bases this on a study where they sprayed fecal material into the duodenum of people and the bacteria migrated back down to the colon.
  • Allison Siebecker, ND indicated that any kind of self care whether it be acupuncture, massage, yoga, meditation, colonics, deep breathing, etc improves patient outcome.
  • Dr. Moore, ND uses a food allergy test to see if patients have leaky gut, if there are lots of positives or mildly positives it indicates leaky gut. (other NDs mentioned this as well). Expressed need for mentoring program for clinicians treating SIBO (the new GastroANP.org for providers will provide some of this).
  • A doctor asked a question about how to regenerate nerve function in the small intestine. The same herbs were brought up (as above) by Dr. Morstein, acupuncture, colon hydrotherapy, cranial-sacral therapy. Dr. Ruscio brought up again that ICC cells will regenerate on their own once SIBO or antibodies are gone.
  • Steven Sandberg Lewis, ND brought up the whole gut brain connection. He said if there has been any mild traumatic brain injury - former soccer player, non-diagnosed concussion, black eye, broken nose, whiplash (me two or three times), any of those impacts can affect the gut neurology. Neurofeedback is a great way to address it.
The general consensus with all the providers was SIBO is either easily treated or very, very difficult. There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground. Guess I know where fall!

3 comments:

  1. Thank you for posting this info! I'm interested in all things SIBO and all tidbits from the experts. Currently, really focused on the gut-brain connection. Like you, I know where I ride on the SIBO train!

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    1. Thanks! I love stuff like this as well. It's fun to see what clinicians are experimenting with and what they are finding.

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  2. So grateful for this information. I've been trying to get rid of SIBO-C for over 19 months now. Methane numbers down to 13 on last test. Discouraged that I have to monitor this for the rest of my life. Iberogast seems to be helping motility. Not much discomfort in my gut. It's the downstream effects of adrenal fatigue that's wiping me out

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